By Peter | Tags: Cumorah cave, Hill Cumorah, Historical sources, Responsible scholarship On June 28, 2019, Jonathan Neville posted a YouTube video with a rather lovely driving tour of Church history sites in the Palmyra, New York, area, including a walk from the top of the hill Cumorah … But till that day arrives, no Rochester adventurers shall ever see them or the treasures, although science and mineral rods testify that they are there.” Edward Stevenson, Reminiscences of Joseph, the Prophet, 1877. Another possibility is that, for some reason, Whitmer was thinking of Miner's Hill, which is just north of the Hill Cumorah and was said to feature a cave dug by Mormons; see Cameron Packer, "A Study of the Hill Cumorah: A Significant Latter-day Saint Landmark in Western New York" (master's thesis, Brigham Young University, 2002), 59 62. The significance of the Hill Cumorah in the restoration of the gospel goes beyond its identification as the ancient repository of the metal plates known as the Book of Mormon. The story of the cave full of plates inside the Hill Cumorah in New York is often given as evidence that it is, indeed, the hill where Mormon hid the plates. Their civilization came to an end for the same reason, at the same place, and in the same manner as did the Jaredites… .”, “In his journal, Wilford Woodruff recounted what he had heard Brigham Young say about the cave: President Young said in relation to Joseph Smith returning the Plates of the Book of Mormon that He did not return them to the box from wh[ence?] Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. 6- What is the best source to find Scriptural Evidence that the BofM happened in North America? Having done archaeological work in that area and examined by visual recon etc. Roberts, 67. These accounts are outlined in a well written article by Packer and Cameron entitled Cumorah's Cave in Farms 2004, p. 50. Hill Cumorah and the Sacred Grove Joseph Smith, Jr. was a mystical treasure seeker from a family of mystical treasure seekers that used “seer stones,” rocks, to read secret messages from spirits. “Although not a member of the church, Elizabeth Kane lived in St. George, Utah, and entertained the company of Brigham Young. 5- Did Joseph Smith “Know” the geography of the Book of Mormon? Another possibility is that, for some reason, Whitmer was thinking of Miner's Hill, which is just north of the Hill Cumorah and was said to feature a cave dug by Mormons; see Cameron Packer, "A Study of the Hill Cumorah: A Significant Latter-day Saint Landmark in Western New York" (master's thesis, Brigham Young University, 2002), 59 62. They laid the plates on a table; it was a large table that stood in the room. Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. They were then put in a depository cave which was filled with many other … God will yet raise up a mighty one, who shall do his work till it is finished and Jesus comes again. Today this … This remains one of my favorite novels that I have written, even if I might have Cumorah in the wrong location. Hill Cumorah Cave. “With these reports of a cave in the Hill Cumorah comes the question, Was this a real cave that Joseph and others actually walked into, or was it a visionary, or ‘virtual,’ experience? He said there was great wealth in the room in sacred implements, vestments, arms, precious metals and precious stones, more than a six-mule team could draw.”. That we will repent and obey and thereby qualify to receive the blessings promised to the righteous in this land, I humbly pray in the name of Jesus Christ, our Redeemer. “With these reports of a cave in the Hill Cumorah comes the question, Was this a real cave that Joseph and others actually walked into, or was it a visionary, or ‘virtual,’ experience? Ether's Cave A Place for Book of Mormon Research. In that room were deposited a large amount of gold plates Containing sacred records & when they first visited that Room the sword of Laban was Hanging upon the wall & when they last visited it the sword was drawn from the scabbard and [laid?] When Joseph got the plates, the angel instructed him to carry them back to the hill Cumorah, which he did. . Brigham Young’s tone was so solemn that I listened bewildered like a child to the evening witch stories of its nurse. 7- What is the Smoking Gun of Book of Mormon Geography? . upon a table and a Messenger who was the keeper of the room informed them that that sword would never be returned to its scabbard untill the Kingdom of God was Esstablished upon the Earth & untill it reigned triumphant over Evry Enemy. [Whitmer]: No, but not far away from that place.”, “Attended meeting a discourse from W. W. Phelps. A vision of the sacred engravings and other items, in a depository cave in a hill called Cumorah.. May your heart be open to understanding the significance of the wonderful hill we call Cumorah! Attention: Our new 600 page Annotated Book of Mormon is currently at a pre-order price of $49.95. 15. With no new information concerning the exact location of the records, the team concentrated on using yet another avenue to break the plug of the cave entrance. Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 17 June 1877 “Oliver Cowdery went with the Prophet Joseph when he deposited these plates. The significance of the Hill Cumorah in the restoration of the gospel goes beyond its identification as the ancient repository of the metal plates known as the Book of Mormon. Joseph did not translate all of the plates; there was a portion of them sealed, which you can learn from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. The treasure is always fabulous, and there are always mountains of it (think Aladdin\'s cave, the Lost Dutchman mine, etc). [Whitmer]: No, but not far away from that place.”, William Horne Dame Diary, 14 January 1855, “Attended meeting a discourse from W. W. Phelps. Parley P. Pratt’s Mission to the Lamanites, The Hopewell Civilization 50 Correlations, Arrowheads, The Cave, and “Actual Stone” at Cumorah. While it’s probable that early Latter-Day Saints may have supposed that the hill located in New York State was the hill in which all of Mormon’s records were deposited, a close reading of … He says he did not think, at the time, whether they had the light of the sun or artificial light; but that it was just as light as day. This would mean the plates from Shim were hid up in a place close to Hill Cumorah. He had Received [them]. While the cave accounts may stir questions about the Hill Cumorah, perhaps the more important issue is what the firsthand witnesses may have learned from their encounters with the cave and, in turn, how their experiences were used to teach others. Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. [4] Deseret Evening News, Aug 16, 1878. [5] Journal of Discourses 1878, 19:38. Samuel Smith saw some things, Hyrum saw a good many things, but Joseph was the leader.”, “President [Heber C.] Kimball talked familiarly to the brethren about Father Smith, [Oliver] Cowdery, and others walking into the hill Cumorah and seeing records upon records piled upon table[s,] they walked from cell to cell and saw the records that were piled up. Unfortunately, none of the accounts is firsthand. The hill opened to them and they saw a room full of golden records and a table with the unsheathed sword of Laban lying on it. Packer, “Cumorah’s Cave,” 52. Roberts, 67. Cumorah’s Cave Cameron J. Packer Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 13/1–2 (2004): 50–57, 170–71. Joseph did not translate all of the plates; there was a portion of them sealed, which you can learn from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. . Now my beloved brethren and sisters everywhere, both members of the Church and nonmembers, I bear you my personal witness that I know that the things I have presented to you today are true—both those pertaining to past events and those pertaining to events yet to come. 4- Where did the Mulekites Land? 1–2 (2004): 50–57, 170–71. . He related a story told him by Hyrum Smith which was as follows: Joseph, Hyrum, Cowdery & Whitmere went to the hill Cormorah. Associated Locations: Hill Cumorah, Manchester, New York Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 17 June 1877 "Oliver Cowdery went with the Prophet Joseph when he deposited these plates. According to some of those leaders, Joseph Smith and others returned the plates to a cave in the Hill Cumorah after he finished translating them. At our Conference here, it will be $69.95, so order here today. The question is: Shall we of this dispensation repent and obey the laws of the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, or shall we continue to defy them until we ripen in iniquity? Joseph did not translate all of the plates; there was a portion of them sealed, which you can learn from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. In their view, the hill was not only the place where Joseph Smith received the plates but also their final repository, along with other sa- cred treasures, after the translation was finished. Associated Locations: Hill Cumorah, Manchester, New York Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 17 June 1877 "Oliver Cowdery went with the Prophet Joseph when he deposited these plates. Cumorah (/ k ə ˈ m ɔːr ə /; also known as Mormon Hill, Gold Bible Hill, and Inspiration Point) is a drumlin in Manchester, New York, United States, where Joseph Smith said he found a set of golden plates which he translated into English and published as the Book of Mormon.. . Evidence indicates that after the Book of Mormon plates were translated and given back to Moroni. Cumorah Cave Other. upon a table and a Messenger who was the keeper of the room informed them that that sword would never be returned to its scabbard untill the Kingdom of God was Esstablished upon the Earth & untill it reigned triumphant over Evry Enemy. Unfortunately, none of the accounts is firsthand. Cameron J. Packer, “Cumorah’s Cave,” Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 13, no. Cumorah’s Cave Cameron J. Packer Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 13/1–2 (2004): 50–57, 170–71. [3] Studies of Book of Mormon, 277. Manchester, NY | A team of archaeologists excavating a drumlin known as Mormon hill or the Cumorah, in western New York, have discovered a set of gold plates which they believe could be linked to the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith Jr. [2] New Witnesses for God, B.H. The Hill Cumorah in Manchester, New York, is the place where Joseph Smith met annually with the angel Moroni from 1823 to 1827. But He went [into] a Cave in the Hill Comoro with Oliver Cowdry & deposited those plates upon a table or shelf. Yes. Many believe Joseph Smith dug up the Gold Plates in a place called Hill Cumorah as referenced in the Book of Mormon. . “In his book Reminiscences of Joseph, the Prophet, and the Coming Forth of the Book of Mormon, Edward Stevenson relates an interview with David Whitmer in 1877: It was likewise stated to me by David Whitmer in the year 1877 that Oliver Cowdery told him that the Prophet Joseph and himself had seen this room and that it was filled with treasure, and on a table therein were the breastplate and the sword of Laban, as well as the portion of gold plates not yet translated, and that these plates were bound by three small gold rings, and would also be translated, as was the first portion in the days of Joseph. At least 10 different accounts,¹ all secondhand, refer to this cave and what was found there. Your email address will not be published. What is the best source to find Scriptural Evidence that the BofM happened in North America? “Although not a member of the church, Elizabeth Kane lived in St. George, Utah, and entertained the company of Brigham Young. With these reports of a cave in the Hill Cumorah comes the question, Was this a real cave that Joseph and others actually walked into, or was it a visionary, or “virtual,” experience? The significance of the Hill Cumorah in the restoration of the gospel goes beyond its identification as the ancient repository of the metal plates known as the Book of Mormon. These accounts are outlined in a well written article by Packer and Cameron entitled Cumorah's Cave in Farms 2004, p. 50. Those records this people will yet have, if they accept of the Book of Mormon and observe its precepts, and keep the commandments.” Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 28 September 1856, “But the grand repository of all the numerous records of the ancient nations of the western continent, was located in another department of the hill, and its contents put under the charge of holy angels, until the day should come for them to be transferred to the sacred temple of Zion.” Orson Pratt, The Contributor, September 1882, “Will these things be brought to light? Inside Hill Cumorah’s Cave. When Joseph got the plates, the angel instructed him to carry them back to the hill Cumorah, which he did. Hill Cumorah Cave. Manchester, NY | A team of archaeologists excavating a drumlin known as Mormon hill or the Cumorah, in western New York, have discovered a set of gold plates which they believe could be linked to the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter … [3] Studies of Book of Mormon, 277. In the second half of the 19th century, a teaching about a cave in the hill began surfacing in the writings of several leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “A southern Utah Saint, Jesse Nathaniel Smith, heard Brigham Young speak in Cedar City, Utah, and recorded: I heard him [Brigham Young] at an evening meeting in Cedar City describe an apartment in the Hill Cumorah that some of the brethren had been permitted to enter. It has been spoken of all throughout Church History. Inside Hill Cumorah’s Cave. There are lots of reasons most serious Mormon archaeological researchers think the New York Cumorah is not the battlefield hill and I am certainly one of them. After all, the glacial drumlin in the vicinity of Palmyra has been called the Hill Cumorah by Latter-day Saints for almost 200 years. In some accounts there were two visits to this cave. “In response to a Brother Mills’s statement about the handcart pioneers, Heber C. Kimball said: How does it compare with the vision that Joseph and others had, when they went into a cave in the hill Cumorah, and saw more records than ten men could carry? '” (Orson Pratt, May 18, 1873, in Journal of Discourses 16:57). Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. God will yet raise up a mighty one, who shall do his work till it is finished and Jesus comes again. There were books piled up on tables, book upon book. It was about fifteen feet high and round its sides were ranged boxes of treasure. They were then put in a depository cave which was filled with many other … Yorgason quotes one version of the story from Brigham Young and alludes to six others collected by Paul T. Smith. Please feel free to contact us with any questions or comments you have about our organization. In the spring of 2004 the Hill Cumorah Expedition Team again traveled to Mexico in renewed hope of finding entrance to a cave that holds ancient records. The wording of … Roberts, 67. All opinions, speakers and presenters represent and express their own individual opinions, and not necessarily the opinions of FIRM Foundation, Book of Mormon Evidence, or it’s employees, and no information or opinions represent the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. . She recorded the following discussion: I asked where the plates were now, and saw in a moment from the expression of the countenances around that I had blundered. Today’s post is a look at what leaders of the LDS Church have chosen to do with their time. As they were walking up the hill, a door opened and they walked into a room about 16 ft square. He says he did not think, at the time, whether they had the light of the sun or artificial light; but that it was just as light as day. [5] Journal of Discourses 1878, 19:38. Brigham Young said that when Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were in the cave this third time, they could see its contents more distinctly than before. “Oliver Cowdery went with the Prophet Joseph when he deposited these plates. No worries. “Millennia ago he declared: “There shall none come into this land [he was speaking of America] save they shall be brought by the hand of the Lord… In the western part of the state of New York near Palmyra is a prominent hill known as the “hill Cumorah.” (Morm. But the grand repository of all the numerous records of the ancient nations of the western continent, was located in another department of the hill, and it’s contents under the charge of holy angels, until the day should come for them to be transferred to the sacred temple of Zion.” 1866 Orson Pratt Millennial Star (28 (27): 417) In relation to these records, Orson Pratt commented in 1873: “But will these things be brought to light? Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. There really was a “Cave of Records” in the Hill Cumorah in up state New York. Below are quotes offering strong indication that the Hill where the Jaredites and the Nephites were destroyed is also the hill where Joseph found the plates and where a great depository of records of both races were held. He related a story told him by Hyrum Smith which was as follows: Joseph, Hyrum, Cowdery & Whitmere went to the hill Cormorah. cave and what was found there. Yorgason quotes one version of the story from Brigham Young and alludes to six others collected by Paul T. Smith. This information, wrote Moroni, addressing himself to us who today occupy this land, “cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles” (now, Gentiles is the term used by the Book of Mormon prophets to refer to the present inhabitants of America and to the peoples of the old world from which they came)… It was about fifteen feet high and round its sides were ranged boxes of treasure. Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. Formerly the sword of Laban hung on the walls sheathed, but it was now unsheathed and lying across the plates on the table; and One that was with them said it was never to be sheathed until the reign of Righteousness upon the earth.” Elizabeth Kane Journal, 15 January 1873. “In an interview with P. Wilhelm Poulson, David Whitmer gave another account of the cave: [Whitmer]: In a cave, where the angel has hidden them up till the time arrives when the plates, which are sealed, shall be translated. 2- Did you know there is only "One Narrow Neck of Land”, but a total of 3 Unique Necks in the Book of Mormon? The hill opened to them and they saw a room full of golden records and a table with the unsheathed sword of Laban lying on it. In his article “Cumorah’s Cave,” printed in the Journal of Book of Mormon Studies (v.13, no.1-2, 2004), Cameron J. Packerconcedes that several prominent Mormons spoke of gold plates and other objects (such as the very sword Nephi used to kill Laban.) What is the Smoking Gun of Book of Mormon Geography? It also serves as a reminder of this church’s foundation. Hill Cumorah Cave. This remains one of my favorite novels that I have written, even if I might have Cumorah in the wrong location. 8- Are there artifacts found near the Hill Cumorah? . However, it remains a fact that until the 1920s or 30s most Latter-day Saints had never contemplated the idea that the Hill Cumorah, as described by Mormon and Moroni, was anywhere but western New York. . In the second half of the 19th century, a teaching about a cave in the hill began surfacing in the writings of several leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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